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Amazon via Shipito: Console Playstation 4 (PS4) directly from the U.S.

Hello Skooter Blog readers. Today I talk about my Console Playstation 4 (PlayStation 4 Console), acquired on Amazon U.S., with the package being redirected to Brazil by Shipito. This is the tenth time I use the great services Shipito, Browse other purchases (the ninth purchase still on the way, reason there is no article about it). Here follows the story of my purchase and my first impressions. 🙂

I've done a deep reflection (ok, nem both) about the world of difference (I always wanted to use that word) between the price of Playstation 4 US and Brazil in previous article, so in this article we are going straight to the point, from purchase do Playstation 4 in the US until his arrival in my hands, opening the packaging and installation, passando pelo despacho para a Shipito, the re-dispatch to Brazil and stay in IRS.

Even before the announcement of the Playstation 4 by R 4.000,00 in Brazil, I had decided me for purchasing outside Brazil, as it did with Playstation 3, knowing that the Brazilian price would be exorbitant, thanks to bite Dilma. O Playstation 3 I bought during a trip to the US in 2009, mas para comprar o Playstation 4 eu não tinha nenhuma viagem em vista, então logo pensei na Amazon e na Shipito. Did not enter the pre-sales, preferred to wait for the first reviews and mainly wanted to wait to see if there would be no design flaw or hardware that would require a recall. It is common to see many units with manufacturing defect at the beginning of sales of a new console. The fear did not materialize. Aconteceram vários relatos de problemas com o Playstation 4, problems but apparently reached less than 1% of units sold, o que parece dentro danormalidade”, after all electronics there is always risk of finding any defect, unfortunately.

Speaking of defects, the guarantee in Brazil Sony consoles purchased abroad is still confusing. Sony não oferece a garantia amigavelmente, but there is case law in favor of consumers. If legally triggered Sony will likely have to repair, exchange or refund the consumer who purchased the console abroad. But an action in Small Claims Court takes at least a few months at best. So who buys a Playstation 4 no exterior tem que estar ciente que pode ter dificuldades em ter a garantia honrada no Brasil. As my Playstation 3 coming from the US is going strong today, decided to risk. Less than 1% Just the same chance to win raffle those one with 100 names, and I never won. 😛

And finally came the day of the launch, but who expected to see the console on store shelves was disappointed. All units in stock were sold quickly or in the pre-sale. A Amazon ficou sem estoque próprio. Only the shops in the Marketplace were with stock, but with prices well above the list price. There were no great stock of hopes normal before the first months of 2014. Porém às vésperas do Natal o inesperado aconteceu e apareceram alguns Playstation 4 in Amazon. I thought about it and decided it was time to buy my. Purchase made in 21/12/2013. In the short time I spent thinking, weighing pros and cons, the first batch is gone and I ended up entering a second batch with shipping forecast just after Christmas, in 26/12. As I had no hope of having it here in Brazil before Christmas did not care. Poucas horas após a compra recebi um e-mail da Amazon informando que minha compra adiantaria. Instead of coming between 03/01/2014 and 06/01/2014 she would get between 27/12/2013 and 02/01/2014. 🙂 É claro que essas datas se referem à chegada do pacote na sede da Shipito.

Por falar em Shipito, I chose to get the parcel to new deposit in Minden, no state of Nevada. Todo cliente da Shipito ganhou um endereço nesse novo depósito. Para compras na Amazon, he gathers the California deposit advantages (lowest price in freight to Brazil) with the Oregon deposit advantages (has no state tax, unless the store is also in Nevada). Como a sede da Amazon It is in California, was always need to calculate whether it was worth sending the packet to the tank's own California, paying state tax but saving on freight to Brazil, or send compensated for deposit in Oregon, paying more in shipping to Brazil, but saving the state tax. Now there is no doubt, Nevada deposit is an option for purchases made in California stores.

A Amazon He ended up making a delivery in Shipito I do previously expected. No give 24/12/2013 the package was already there. If I were a US resident happy could install and play my Playstation 4 on Christmas Day. Would even remember Christmas 1987 when I got my Atari 2600, times when it was happy not knowing the price of things and did not have to give half of my salary in taxes to a government that does not offer me almost nothing in return. But as I live in BANANIA I had to settle for just seeing the pictures that Shipito I took my new toy and choose the type of freight. I would like to come via Santa and his reindeer, arriving on 25/12, and without tax, but I had no such option in Shipito :(. So I had to content myself with the freight for USPS Priority Mail, which is usually fast, in addition to tracking and insurance.

A Amazon often exaggerate the size of packaging. The cardboard box that placed the box Playstation 4 I gave to two of them and still left over space. But at least the empty space came with those bags full of air, and the box Playstation 4 come properly wrapped in bubble wrap. The dimensions of the package Amazon according to Shipito are 19″×15″×13″ (48× 38 × 33 cm) and the weight is 10,80 lbs (4,9 kg). Had previously chosen the option to open the package and take 3 Photos (the cost of US $ 1,00) to have damage insurance and also to make sure that the Amazon hit the request. They took even more 5 toast pictures. Here is the summary of spending Shipito in the table below:

Mailout fee: $8.50
Special requests: $1.00
Postage: $71.08
(Carrier) ($68.15)
(Bank fee 4.3%) ($2.93)
Insurance: $6.73
TOTAL: $87.31

And some more information:

Sender name:
Package content:
Package type (for Customs): gift
Customs declaration:
Description Quantity Item value
Videogame Console 1 (Removed)
Total Value: (Removed)
Weight: 10.80 lbs
Insured amount: (Removed)
Shipping method: USPS Priority Mail
Mailout fee: $8.50 (Small package (up to 30lbs))
Repacking fee: $0.00
Storage fee: $0.00
Special requests: $1.00
Postage: $71.08
Insurance: $6.73
TOTAL: $87.31

These are the tracking information under the USPS in USA:

DATE & TIME
STATUS OF ITEM
LOCATION
January 16, 2014 , 1:26 pm Delivered BRAZIL
January 16, 2014 , 10:47 at the Attempted Delivery – Scheduled for another delivery attempt today BRAZIL
January 14, 2014 , 8:31 pm Customs clearance processing complete BRAZIL
January 8, 2014 , 7:55 at the Customs Clearance BRAZIL
January 8, 2014 , 7:54 at the Processed Through Sort Facility BRAZIL
December 27, 2013 , 8:09 pm Processed Through Sort Facility ISC SAN FRANCISCO (USPS)
December 27, 2013 , 8:09 pm Arrived at Sort Facility ISC SAN FRANCISCO (USPS)
December 26, 2013 Depart USPS Sort Facility RENO, NV 89510
December 26, 2013 , 10:42 pm Processed at USPS Origin Sort Facility RENO, NV 89510
December 26, 2013 , 9:27 pm Accepted at USPS Origin Sort Facility RENO, NV 89510
December 26, 2013 Electronic Shipping Info Received
December 26, 2013 , 12:29 pm Shipment Accepted RENO, NV 89510

And behold the tracking information according to the Post Office in Brazil:

Data Local Situation
16/01/2014 13:25 AC (Removed) Delivery Effected
16/01/2014 10:50 CSD (Removed) Routed
In transit to AC (Removed)
16/01/2014 10:46 AC (Removed) Waiting withdrawal
Address: (Removed)
16/01/2014 09:29 CSD (Removed) Routed
In transit to AC (Removed)
15/01/2014 07:05 CTE CAMPINAS – VALINHOS / SP Routed
Referred to CDD (Removed)
14/01/2014 20:32 SITC RIO DE JANEIRO / GEARA – RIO DE JANEIRO / RJ Routed
CTE transit Em CAMPINAS – VALINHOS / SP
14/01/2014 20:31 TREATMENT UNIT INTERNATIONAL – BRAZIL Awarded
Freed peels alfândega
08/01/2014 12:00 SITC RIO DE JANEIRO / GEARA – RIO DE JANEIRO / RJ Routed
In transit to RFB – NOTE ISSUE-taxed Taxation / BR
08/01/2014 07:55 UNIT TRAT INTERNATIONAL RIO RIO – RIO DE JANEIRO / RJ Routed
In transit to Customs Enforcement – Customs Enforcement / BR
08/01/2014 07:54 UNIT TRAT INTERNATIONAL RIO RIO – RIO DE JANEIRO / RJ Awarded
Received / Brazil
27/12/2013 20:09 UNITED STATES Routed
M traveling to TREATMENT UNIT INTERNATIONAL – BRAZIL
27/12/2013 20:09 UNITED STATES Awarded
Received the unit export
26/12/2013 12:29 UNITED STATES Posted

As can be seen in Table, the IRS held the package almost 1 week to broadcast NTS. I was getting worried when the package was finally released through customs. Time in transit until it was short, with only 21 calendar days. Here is the summary table of purchase:

Product Name: Console Playstation 4
Name Original: PlayStation 4 Console
Store: Amazon
Value: US$ 399,99
Current value: Unavailable
Payment Method: Credit card / Prepaid Debit Mastercard from Payoneer
Shipping Type:
  • FREE Super Saver Shipping (Amazon)
  • USPS Mail Priority (Shipito)
Shipping Fee:
  • Free (Amazon -> Shipito)
  • US$ 71,08 (Shipito -> Brazil)
Package Home Country: USA
Purchase Data: 21/12/2013 (Amazon)
Submission Date: 26/12/2013 (Shipito -> Brazil)
Data Delivery: 16/01/2013
Time in Transit: 21 days (Shipito -> Brazil)
Declared content: Videogame Console
Type Marked Content: Gift
Declared Value:
Taxed: Yes
Taxable Value: R$ 474,00 (US$ 199,00)
Tax Value: R$ 284,40

And some photos:

Amazon package with the Playstation 4 (PS4)

Amazon package with the Playstation 4 (PS4)

Amazon package with the Playstation 4 (PS4)

Amazon package with the Playstation 4 (PS4)

Customs Declaration Form with Amazon package with the Playstation 4 (PS4)

Customs Declaration Form with Amazon package with the Playstation 4 (PS4)

Note Simplified Taxation (NTS) do Console Playstation 4 (PS4)

Note Simplified Taxation (NTS) do Console Playstation 4 (PS4)

Amazon package with the Playstation 4 (PS4)

Amazon package with the Playstation 4 (PS4)

Amazon package with the Playstation 4 (PS4)

Amazon package with the Playstation 4 (PS4)

Console Playstation 4 (PS4) on its packaging

Console Playstation 4 (PS4) on its packaging

Console Playstation 4 (PS4) on its packaging

Console Playstation 4 (PS4) on its packaging

Console Playstation 4 (PS4) on its packaging

Console Playstation 4 (PS4) on its packaging

Opening the console Playstation Packaging 4 (PS4)

Opening the console Playstation Packaging 4 (PS4)

Console Playstation 4 (PS4) and accessories

Console Playstation 4 (PS4) and accessories

DualShock 4, the joystick accompanying the Playstation 4 (PS4)

DualShock 4, the joystick accompanying the Playstation 4 (PS4)

DualShock 4, the joystick accompanying the Playstation 4 (PS4)

DualShock 4, the joystick accompanying the Playstation 4 (PS4)

DualShock 4, the joystick accompanying the Playstation 4 (PS4)

DualShock 4, the joystick accompanying the Playstation 4 (PS4)

Console Playstation 4 (PS4)

Console Playstation 4 (PS4)

Console Playstation 4 (PS4)

Console Playstation 4 (PS4)

Console Playstation 4 (PS4)

Console Playstation 4 (PS4)

Console Playstation 4 (PS4)

Console Playstation 4 (PS4)

Rear of the Playstation 4 (PS4)

Rear of the Playstation 4 (PS4)

Console Playstation 4 (PS4) next to the Playstation 3

Console Playstation 4 (PS4) next to the Playstation 3

DualShock 4 operation

DualShock 4 operation

Console Playstation 4 (PS4), up and running

Console Playstation 4 (PS4), up and running

Console Playstation 4 (PS4), up and running

Console Playstation 4 (PS4), up and running

Open the box Playstation 4 I found the console, um controlador DualShock 4, headset to turn on the controller, USB out, power cable to the US standard as would be expected, HDMI out, instruction manual and a booklet with some affordable gifts on PSN Store. I was surprised with the HDMI cable, as with Playstation 3 came just a composite video cable. I believe that the TVs without HDMI input are practically extinct in the US.

O DualShock 4 now has such a light which Playstation Move Motion Controller that identifies where the player is and track their movements with the camera, resource that is used in some games. But I did not buy the camera with the Playstation 4 and now she's missing everywhere. The way is to wait for the stock to regularize. O DualShock 4 also has speaker and some games exploit this functionality emitting sounds in control. The trackpad It is something that also brings a lot of possibilities, let's see if it will be well spent. When I saw the first control was curious with the functions of start the game and pause, since gone with the button start. An island with no start button controllers is something I had not seen since the Master System Times. But Sony did something simple, Now the games begin with the X button, and the break was for the button options. The button select has always been under-utilized since the days of NES, and no Playstation 4 gave way to the button share that lets you share videos and screenshots what is being played. The console automatically records the last minutes of everything that happened, so that at any time the player can choose to share something that happened, no need to start a recording previously.

Speaking of share, integration with social networks is more intense now. Linking to PSN account with Facebook you can import name, photo, etc. You can automatically share in the activity list the information that we are playing a certain game, among other. The trophies also appear in the list of activities, and no longer in the timeline.

I bought two games, but they have not yet reached, so for now I'm satisfied with my PSN games. The Zen Pinball 2, which was already free on Playstation 3 It is also free on Playstation 4. It comes with a free table: Sorcerer’s Lair. You can buy several other tables. Anyone who has had tables on the Playstation 3 which are already available in Playstation 4 no need to buy again, just import them. I imported the 3 tables Star Wars that are free on the Playstation 3 and the table Paranormal que eu havia purchased. All are much more beautiful in 1080p. In 3D mode unfortunately the low resolution to 720p. I expected the Playstation 4 had enough processing power to end the low resolution in both 2D and 3D, but apparently the 3D is still complicated to display 1080p. Two other games that are worth taking a look at PSN: Resogun, which is excellent; Pinball Arcade, which also has a free table and other available for purchase; Blacklight Retribution, at first person shooter multiplayer online; and Contrast.

Speaking of PSN, is now mandatory to have a subscription to PSN Plus to play online. I already had my signature Playstation 3 and it also applies to the Playstation 4, then I could already enjoy right away all the benefits. R$ 100,00 for a year subscription is a very reasonable value considering that several games will be made available over time, even if you can only play them as long as subscriber. With the Playstation 4 is a code for free 30 days of PSN Plus free. But attention: the code applies only to the American PSN Plus. My signature is PSN Brazilian Plus, so I took the code to release the PSN Plus American, but the games available there are the same. The only advantage is that I can play again on Playstation 3 games that were released in American PSN while I had the signature, I won that time the PSN returned after staying a while off the air for being hackeada.

Another game that I can play in Playstation 4 no charge is Flower. I had bought the version of Playstation 3 in American PSN at the time that the Brazilian PSN was not even there. Sony has released version Playstation 4 for those who already had the Playstation 3. So it only took enter the American PSN and download it. And another toast that came with Playstation 4 It is a bonus of US $ 10,00 to be used in American PSN. I plan on buying the Flow or some other game that costs less than US $ 10,00 to enjoy the bonus.

The Playstation 4 It has a standby mode very interesting. It is no longer necessary to maintain the connected console just to load a joystick or to make some download. You can set standby mode to keep the power in USB ports and to keep the Internet running and keep downloads in progress. There is also the option of turning off completely for those who will not use the console for an extended period or need to take it out of the socket.

The Netflix application on Playstation 4 It is better than the other systems, much more fluid than that of televisions and even the Playstation 3. Appear more information when selecting a movie / series that appear on other devices. The only thing that was missing is a way to see the current resolution, something that seems to be exclusive to the Playstation 3.

In short, I am quite satisfied with the Playstation 4, especially considering that it invested less than half of what would spend buying in Brazil. The second joystick I ended up buying in supermarkets for € 190,00, which is not much more expensive than you would pay buying from abroad. Now I hope the cameras back in stock abroad to buy one. I also look the two games I ever got: Fifa 14 and Need for Speed Rivals. But do not expect without playing, because fortunately PSN games are very interesting.

And I'm ending here with a positive assessment to the Playstation 4 and another positive review for Amazon and the Shipito. Do not forget to share the article with your friends if you like. Good fun and good shopping. :)

About the author

Skooter

Skooter is a computer scientist and the founder of Skooter Blog. He is interested in everything related to technology and he likes to save money by making his purchases directly from abroad.

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  1. 1
    Anderson

    skooter, 've seen some reviews that Amazon would be money for those “overpaid tax” ?
    source:
    http://forum.jogos.uol.com.br/reembolso-da-diferenca-dos-impostos-pagos—amazon_t_2885557?page=1

    1. 1.1
      Skooter

      Sounds interesting. The problem is to run the risk of repayment not out, Amazon charges for more than 100% the value of the product as a deposit. Furthermore, There are awaiting 60 days and then still have to fight with the bank to return the IOF. I've broken the stick with this iParcel and asked to return the package to the store once tried to charge me more than 100% advance tax. If I knew it would be risky to have returned.

      I am about to buy a video card (my stopped working), I might take a chance on direct shipping with Amazon. The problem is that if you have not any refund will be more expensive to be bought in Brazil. If repay what happened the 60%, since the SP state does not charge sales tax on imports, already gets a price comparable to that of Brazil. If estornarem more is advantageous. Or maybe buy the card for right here and let to risk with something cheaper, as a game or accessory PS4, but for now there's nothing that interests me.

  2. 2
    Anderson

    skooter also bought the ps4 on amazon and I found no free code 30 days for psn plus.

    1. 2.1
      Skooter

      It's that dark blue folhetinho who is in the pictures that have promotions. It may not come with all editions.

  3. 3
    Anderson

    is not even came but came 7 days 2 games! at least that! huaheuhaue vc already bought a game in the American psn ? You need to have US credit card ? or buying the psn cards on amazon could put credit on American account and use

    1. 3.1
      Skooter

      I already bought but makes time. I bought with American Express issued in Brazil and also with EntroPay. Today I think no longer works neither.
      I think the PSN Amazon cards work yes.

  4. 4
    Paul Raponi

    Skooter,

    As we arrived at this impost of calculation 199,00 Dollar (tributavel) The product cost 399? Na ship to the voice “re-stated” by 199?

    1. 4.1
      Skooter

      Usually I put the values ​​which are expressed by retailers so that prospective buyers have no idea how much will be stated in your own packages, since they have no control over it. In the case of Shipito I do not divulge, because buyers can complete the declaration. Remember, the Shipito insurance only covers the declared value or the value that is in the Invoice when (o que for menor). Furthermore, the IRS does not necessarily will charge that was declared.

  5. 5
    Anderson

    In the case of declaring this lower value worth remembering to send the product to the amazon Shipito as gift because otherwise the invoice within the product would be with the value of 399 nor? Skooter my international credit card here from Brazil does not accept the Brazilian psn or the US, only issued card out of Brazil ?

    1. 5.1
      Skooter

      Anderson,

      Yes. Amazon puts the invoice with values ​​inside the box, except when the product is marked as “Gift”. I've seen some reports that Shipito complained to declare different amount than what's on the invoice, I do not know whether it will. Anyway, having no value in the invoice avoids this type of complaint.

      But, for who takes good deals, usa cupons, etc. and declare the value of the invoice think it's advisable to leave up to the value in the invoice inside the box. So, If the IRS open the package to check content, the invoice should serve to prove the declared value, otherwise they may not believe and resolve arbitrate a value and can then end up picking up the value without promotion.

      International credit card issued in Brazil is to operate in the Brazilian PSN yes. I use my Visa International Bank of Brazil and works.

      1. 5.1.1
        ZeMMaC

        Recommend declaring the correct value. Shipito when you lose a packet asks the invoice and pays the LOWER value between the stated and the invoice… I have yet to complain about it… Tá na row of problems, with low priority, since the difference was small, in my case… 🙂

  6. 6
    Paul

    Olá Skooter!
    How this works Payoneer card that you used?
    You opened an account at a U.S. bank?
    Has rates?
    Hug

    1. 6.1
      Skooter

      Hello Paul,
      No need to open a bank account. Just placing the order through the website.
      It has some fees, but are much smaller than all other forms of receiving money abroad I have ever encountered.
      []s

  7. 7
    ZeMMaC

    Skooter, it allows me a feedback from those who have already sent 27 packages using Shipito: the service is cheap and professional. Where it all right, It is a wonder. However, pray to not need the customer to ask for refund or solve a more complicated problem… pray very, because the staff responsible for solving problems (understand “Michele”, which is practically the only) It has no desire to help. These are not just my words… looking at the forum found more people talking about. Another recommendation: whenever possible, Escape TNT if you send an order via courier.
    Otherwise, congratulations Blog. I keep visiting you. Do lots of shopping abroad and want to have this all willing to do reviews as cool as their! 🙂 Um abraço.

    1. 7.1
      Skooter

      Too late. I have been waiting for the insurance of a package that disappeared. I used Priority Airmail, gave the 90 days and not reached. I placed my order insurance, I sent the invoice as requested, but so far nothing. Just in case I will switch to using only the USPS.

  8. 8
    Albino

    Skooter,
    As of this post payonner works? The output is via bank or credit card bill?

    1. 8.1
      Skooter

      He is prepaid. The debit is made in the amounts deposited in it.

  9. 9
    Leo

    Skooter,

    the post office even opened your order of ps4 or just trusted the declared value?

    Abs

    1. 9.1
      Skooter

      Leo,
      It was taxed without opening the package.
      []s

      1. 9.1.1
        Matheus

        You marked as gift, but AMAZON declared the product name in the box? as total u paid for that PS4?
        VC said “PS4” OR “GAME CONSOLE” in the customs declaration???

        1. Skooter

          Amazon does not place the product name in the box. For them it is a push within the US, then outside the box is no need to declare content or values.
          Declared “Videogame Console”.

  10. 10
    Matheus

    with courier freight packages pass through x-ray in custom house?
    they have the same treatment in the custom house of q normal packages ?

    1. 10.1
      Skooter

      X-Ray can not tell you.
      But treatment is different, by courier goes by much faster customs. The DHL packages, for example, They are released on the same day, But taxation is guaranteed (including ICMS).

      1. 10.1.1
        Matheus

        Please, take me but a question…
        In freight DHL EXPRESS, time for me to make a customs declaration in Shipito, if I declare the PS4 as “GAME CONSOLE (ps3)” u think is some risk of the custom-house staff or DHL discover?? I can be fined?
        Another example: galaxy 5 como galaxy 4 …

        1. Skooter

          If the recipe solving open the package and the product does not match the description think you may have problems yes.
          But I think you need not be so specific in statement. For example, you could put “Game Console” or “Cell Phone” instead of specifying the exact model. See for example buying a video card that made the Amazon. The Amazon itself described the content as “Accessories” and sent via DHL.

  11. 11
    Jhon

    summarizing friend, as you paid for this ps4 with all included values?

    1. 11.1
      Skooter

      US$ 399,00 (Amazon) + US$ 87,31 (Shipito) + R$ 284,40 (taxes)

  12. 12
    Rodrigo

    Friend good day, tell me something, 'cause they only charged R $ 284.80 taxes, the correct value would not 60% do total $399 + 87,31 = $486,31 (60% = $ 291,79 = + or – current rate 2,30 = Tax amount (R$671,10), the right would not be $284,80 (Dollars). If even in Reais, was it cause you filled content as Gift?..grateful for the attention.

  13. 13
    Gustavo

    Good afternoon, Skooter.
    I met his blog because I was looking for quality and Rubik's cube Google showed their Cube4You publication.
    I ended up in this publication because I am interested in buying a PS4 is also how your experience was two and a half years, I was wondering if you still think this combination “amazon + shipito” still worth it.
    I also have the same doubts the Rodrigo in relation to the amount charged as tax.

    Thank you and congratulations on your great blog!

    1. 13.1
      Skooter

      Good afternoon Gustavo,

      I'm on the outside of the prices in Brazil and exterior PS4 currently. For cheaper products I have purchased direct from Amazon, because their shipping is much cheaper and just making up for the higher tax. In addition it is common to send by DHL and get well fast.
      For more expensive products it is possible that the Shipito still compensate, because despite the largest shipping and cost of the service, You can use the USPS and not pay the GST (in States where he is not charged on orders that arrive by mail).

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