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jan 24 2015

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Framemeister XRGB Mini

Those who follow the Skooter Blog know that I started in the world of RGB classic consoles in mid- 2013, with the acquisition of SCART Video Converter + HDMI to HDMI (SCART + HDMI to HDMI Video Converter – Black) and the my first SCART cable, standard which until then was somewhat unclear to me.

The SCART Video Converter + HDMI to HDMI is a relatively inexpensive solution that does a good job of picking up the RGB video console and do upscale to 1080p. Latency is low and the image has good quality, although there is no filter options or anything. It is a huge leap for someone used to use the composite video or RF. And SCART Video Converter + HDMI to HDMI just helping me for a long time.

Last year, ended up getting also a Component Video Converter (YPbPr), S-Video, Composed Video (CVBS) and Stereo Audio to HDMI (YPbPr + CVBS + S-video to HDMI Video Converter – Black (100~ 240V) for use with my Atari 2600 US VCS with S-Video, Composite Video, Stereo Audio and Pause, but he ended up not working with the signal provided by Atari 2600, perhaps a little out of standard.

That's when I decided it was time to upgrade on my upscaler. The Framemeister XRGB Mini the Japanese company Micomsoft it is acclaimed as the best upscaler signals to 240p and 480i we have today in the market. These are the resolutions used by virtually all the islands from the first to the fifth generation, which includes Atari 2600, the Mega Drive, the Super Nintendo, and the Playstation One, which are the ones I have.

The SCART Video Converter + HDMI to HDMI is every sign as if 480i (480 Resolution lines, interlaced), but most of the fourth generation and previous consoles often work with 240p (240 Resolution lines, progressive). This is where shines Framemeister XRGB Mini, that correctly identifies such signs and takes this into consideration when making the upscale to. Furthermore, he has a series of filters, settings and options to adjust the image to the taste of the customer and the console being used.

For those who like scanlines, side effect of some older TVs, the Framemeister XRGB Mini also have the option to simulate them, just as do many emulators. In this case it is better to use the output resolution at 720p instead of 1080p (Full HD), since scanlines not look great at 1080p. Even the rounded edges of the older TVs can be simulated. The appearance can also be adjusted, in other words, nothing classic console running on 16:9 with stretched image.

In search of Framemeister XRGB Mini in Amazon and no eBay, found the prices a bit high. I just then finding Solaris Japan, sends bone Frame Master directly from their homeland, Japan, with 3 cargo types to choose from, “invoice friendly”, and prices somewhat lower than that found in another store. Then there was even made my purchase. I opted for the regular shipping, which is the intermediate. Note that the DHL package is only one package, DHL had nothing to do with the delivery.

There is option with or without the Cape D-Terminal Adapter for Component Video. For those who will use any console with component video output is essential purchase the adapter, because the component video input Frame Master uses this standard D-Terminal instead of the three jacks RCA as is common here. I have no console that uses component video, but either way I acquired the adapter to be guaranteed if you buy a console that uses component video, because the adapter must be very difficult to find outside of Japan, and buy it later on Solaris mean pay another shipping and wait a few more weeks.

Before buying I researched quite, read more reviews, watch videos, etc. So already bought two accessories that are also almost essential, which came before and have been presented here in Skooter Blog, they are:

The EuroSCART Converter for Framemeister XRGB Mini is very useful because the Framemeister XRGB Mini has SCART input. He receives the RGB signals by a plug mini DIN 8 pins, which apparently is not a standard and should have been used just to keep the small size of the equipment, since the SCART plug is quite large. Along with Frame Master comes an adapter 8 pins for JP-21, but note that the JP-21, While using the same plug SCART, is not a compatible standard. Internal connections are different. Most SCART cables sellers, like retrogamingcables and to retro_console_accessories, also make cables in PG-21 standard for those who prefer. Who will that route not need to buy EuroSCART Converter for Framemeister XRGB Mini, But if the switches SCART are already hard to find, the switches JP-21 are almost impossible, so I think more advantage you have the SCART which is a little less unusual, the benefit of using switches.

Already Adhesive with translation to English for the Remote Control Mini XRGB Framemeister is excellent for those who, I like, knows nothing of Japanese and want to easily identify the buttons on the remote control. Without it would be much more complicated to use Frame Master. With all the adhesive is simpler.

The Frame Master came well packed, with all accessories, support to put it standing, etc. The manual is in Japanese. The menu itself is in Japanese, but you can change to English. Recommended Reading this wiki to learn the basic settings.

Package with Framemeister XRGB Mini

Package with Framemeister XRGB Mini

Package with Framemeister XRGB Mini

Package with Framemeister XRGB Mini

Invoice in the package with the Framemeister XRGB Mini

Invoice in the package with the Framemeister XRGB Mini

Invoice in the package with the Framemeister XRGB Mini

Invoice in the package with the Framemeister XRGB Mini

Framemeister XRGB Mini, on its packaging

Framemeister XRGB Mini, on its packaging

Framemeister XRGB Mini, on its packaging

Framemeister XRGB Mini, on its packaging

Framemeister XRGB Mini, on its packaging

Framemeister XRGB Mini, on its packaging

Framemeister XRGB Mini, on its packaging

Framemeister XRGB Mini, on its packaging

Unpacking with Framemeister XRGB Mini

Unpacking with Framemeister XRGB Mini

Unpacking with Framemeister XRGB Mini

Unpacking with Framemeister XRGB Mini

The source is 100V, but I had no problems using it with 127V. Those who live in regions that use only 220V will need a power adapter or other power adapter, using the same type of plug and is able to provide DC 5V and 2,3a. The plug is Type A, which is the standard in Japan (and US), then one is necessary adapter to turn it into the sockets of the new Brazilian standard. I used my Chinese strip.

Power supply Framemeister XRGB Mini

Power supply Framemeister XRGB Mini

Power supply Framemeister XRGB Mini

Power supply Framemeister XRGB Mini

The Cape D-Terminal Adapter for Component Video and the converter to JP-21 also came in the box, but still did not use them. The remote control operates on two AAA batteries, included.

D-Terminal Adapter for Component Video

D-Terminal Adapter for Component Video

Adapter RGB JP-21

Adapter RGB JP-21

After adesivar the remote control, connect Frame Master on the switch, and audio cables and S-Video Atari 2600, and update the firmware to the latest version through a mini-SD card, it's time to test the Frame Master with my consoles.

Remote Control Mini Framemeister XRGB

Remote Control Mini Framemeister XRGB

Remote Control Mini Framemeister XRGB

Remote Control Mini Framemeister XRGB

Remote Control Mini Framemeister XRGB

Remote Control Mini Framemeister XRGB

Remote Control Batteries of Framemeister XRGB Mini

Remote Control Batteries of Framemeister XRGB Mini

Remote Control Batteries of Framemeister XRGB Mini

Remote Control Batteries of Framemeister XRGB Mini

Support to put the Framemeister XRGB Mini standing

Support to put the Framemeister XRGB Mini standing

Instruction Manual Framemeister XRGB Mini

Instruction Manual Framemeister XRGB Mini

Framemeister XRGB Mini

Framemeister XRGB Mini

Front of Framemeister XRGB Mini

Front of Framemeister XRGB Mini

Rear Framemeister XRGB Mini

Rear Framemeister XRGB Mini

Framemeister XRGB Mini

Framemeister XRGB Mini

Framemeister XRGB Mini

Framemeister XRGB Mini

Framemeister XRGB Mini

Framemeister XRGB Mini

Euro plug adapter for Mini Framemeister XRGB

Euro plug adapter for Mini Framemeister XRGB

Framemeister XRGB Mini with attached cables

Framemeister XRGB Mini with attached cables

Mini XRGB Framemeister ready for use

Mini XRGB Framemeister ready for use

Remote Control Mini Framemeister XRGB, with all text in Japanese

Remote Control Mini Framemeister XRGB, with all text in Japanese

Remote Control Framemeister XRGB Mini and the adhesive with the texts in English

Remote Control Framemeister XRGB Mini and the adhesive with the texts in English

Remote Control Mini Framemeister XRGB already adesivado

Remote Control Mini Framemeister XRGB already adesivado

Remote Control Mini Framemeister XRGB already adesivado

Remote Control Mini Framemeister XRGB already adesivado

The Sega Genesis to SCART RGB cable for Mega Drive 1 / Sega Genesis 1 / Mega Drive 2 by Tec Toy with Stereo Audio (Pack-a-Punched!) was the first to be tested. I made the recommended configuration by wiki signals to 240p and got picture and sound quality excellent. But not everything is perfect. The Frame Master unfortunately does not recognize the 480i signal Mega Drive. I only know of two games that use this mode: “Sonic The Hedgehog 2” and “Battle Cars”. Both use only in 480i mode 2 players with split screen. When the Mega Drive switches to 480i scrambles to screen each and you can not see anything. This is already a known problem Frame Master and that does not have solution. Point to SCART Video Converter + HDMI to HDMI which does not have this problem, despite considering all image as 480i. But, in 240p test suite is worth highlighting the transparency test, that works perfectly in Frame Master, but failure SCART Video Converter + HDMI to HDMI he did not have real support 240p.

Menu do Framemeister XRGB Mini

Menu do Framemeister XRGB Mini

Image definition detail with Framemeister XRGB Mini

Image definition detail with Framemeister XRGB Mini

Alex Kidd in Miracle World no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Alex Kidd in Miracle World no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Alex Kidd in Miracle World no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Alex Kidd in Miracle World no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Alex Kidd in Miracle World no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Alex Kidd in Miracle World no Framemeister XRGB Mini

240p test suite no Framemeister XRGB Mini , transparency works

240p test suite no Framemeister XRGB Mini , transparency works

240p test suite no Framemeister XRGB Mini

240p test suite no Framemeister XRGB Mini

240p test suite no Framemeister XRGB Mini

240p test suite no Framemeister XRGB Mini

240p test suite no Framemeister XRGB Mini

240p test suite no Framemeister XRGB Mini

240p test suite no Framemeister XRGB Mini

240p test suite no Framemeister XRGB Mini

240p test suite no Framemeister XRGB Mini

240p test suite no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Sonic The Hedgehog 2 no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Sonic The Hedgehog 2 no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Sonic The Hedgehog 2 no Framemeister XRGB Mini , does not work the split screen mode (480i)

Sonic The Hedgehog 2 no Framemeister XRGB Mini , does not work the split screen mode (480i)

Sonic The Hedgehog no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Sonic The Hedgehog no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Sonic The Hedgehog no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Sonic The Hedgehog no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Sonic The Hedgehog no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Sonic The Hedgehog no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Sonic The Hedgehog no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Sonic The Hedgehog no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Sonic The Hedgehog no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Sonic The Hedgehog no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Synchronization level adjustment in Framemeister XRGB Mini

Synchronization level adjustment in Framemeister XRGB Mini

Streets of Rage no Sega Genesis via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Streets of Rage no Sega Genesis via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Streets of Rage no Sega Genesis via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Streets of Rage no Sega Genesis via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Streets of Rage no Sega Genesis via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Streets of Rage no Sega Genesis via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Streets of Rage no Sega Genesis via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Streets of Rage no Sega Genesis via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Framemeister XRGB Mini running

Framemeister XRGB Mini running

The first Video Sega Genesis on the Frame Master was done filming the TV, then can appear some artifacts introduced by the TV and especially by the camera, addition of ambient noise, including the rain that was falling. 🙂

But these two videos have been recorded after the arrival of my Elgato – Game Capture HD60, then the image and sound you see is exactly what the Frame Master, except for any artifacts introduced by Elgato, the compression process, by Youtube own, by your monitor, etc. Be sure to zoom in and watch in 1080p.


The Playstation One to Playstation SCART RGB cable 1/2 with Audio and Guncon output (RGB Cable with Audio and Guncon output) worked without problems. 2D games are very beautiful, while 3D games suffer a bit due to the exposure of serrated that are usually balanced by the bad image of the composite video, but not beyond RGB sharpness. The Frame Master supports both the 240p mode as the mode 480i Playstation One. The only problem is that some games are switching between modes. In general 480i using the cutscenes and 240p in fact game. The Frame Master takes a while to detect the signal change and with it the screen is dark for a 2 seconds, which can disrupt in some cases. Furthermore, as the ideal settings for each mode are different, you must configure only one of them and leave the other way with a sub-optimal image when used.

Street Fighter Alpha 3 do Playstation One no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Street Fighter Alpha 3 do Playstation One no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Street Fighter Alpha 3 do Playstation One no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Street Fighter Alpha 3 do Playstation One no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Street Fighter Alpha 3 do Playstation One no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Street Fighter Alpha 3 do Playstation One no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Street Fighter Alpha 3 do Playstation One no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Street Fighter Alpha 3 do Playstation One no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Street Fighter Alpha 3 do Playstation One no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Street Fighter Alpha 3 do Playstation One no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Street Fighter Alpha 3 do Playstation One no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Street Fighter Alpha 3 do Playstation One no Framemeister XRGB Mini

Again, we have two videos, a shot of the series and another shot with the Elgato. The second presents desynchronization between the audio and the video Playstation One, but is due to the capture, it does not happen on TV.

The Atari 2600 worked well. The image via S-Video through the Frame Master is clearly better than the composite video. Both composite video through the own Frame Master as composite video on direct TV offer images considerably worse. With the RF then you can not even compare, S-Video image via Frame Master is much better. Just noticed that, a few times, as soon as you turn on the console appear some artifacts in the image, but just turn off and on again to shove off. It seems to be a rare problem that hardly appears. Also found that the colors were a little out, pulling a lot for the green. Decreases colon in control of hue and got better, in my view. Video recorded filming the screen with the level of tint in the original, and captured with Elgato – Game Capture HD60 are already fit I did after. I noticed that a single game presented sync problems: the “Condor Attack”. In this case the solution is to change the SYNC MODE option Frame Master AUTO to OFF. If you do not remember correctly, Condor Attack also had some timing problems in CRT TVs, must be a defect in the same game.

Details River Raid in Atari 2600 via Framemeister

Details River Raid in Atari 2600 via Framemeister

River Raid no Atari 2600 via Framemeister

River Raid no Atari 2600 via Framemeister

Pitfall II no Atari 2600 via Framemeister, initially there are some artifacts

Pitfall II no Atari 2600 via Framemeister, initially there are some artifacts

Pitfall II no Atari 2600 via Framemeister, without artifacts after resynchronize

Pitfall II no Atari 2600 via Framemeister, without artifacts after resynchronize

Pitfall II detail on Atari 2600 via Framemeister

Pitfall II detail on Atari 2600 via Framemeister

Menu do Harmony Cartdrige no Atari 2600 via Framemeister

Menu do Harmony Cartridge no Atari 2600 via Framemeister

Enduro no Atari 2600 via Framemeister

Enduro no Atari 2600 via Framemeister

In the case of Atari 2600, the first two videos were made filming the TV screen, and the third is with Elgato. I forgot to put the camera in manual focus, so sometimes it loses focus on the image filmed TV:



The Super Nintendo to RGB SCART Cable for Super Nintendo (SNES), Super Famicom, Gamecube and Nintendo 64 (RGB Cable) was the one who did not work first. To function, synchronization needed to increase the level menu Frame Master. It seems that the synchronization signal along with composite video is somewhat weak for the default configuration of Frame Master, then you need to slightly increase the level. This cable was also with the left and right audio reversed. Recently got a new cable, this time with the retrogamingcables, com Composite Sync (CSYNC), in other words, this new cable the composite video channel is actually just taking the sync signal extracted directly from Super Nintendo. With the new cable must not move in synchronization level. The photos and the recorded video filming the screen with the Play-Asia cable, and videos captured with the Elgato – Game Capture HD60 already are the new cable. The problem of slow to switch between modes 480i and 240p also applies to the Super Nintendo. Fortunately not appear to be many games that alternate between the two modes. The “Syvalion” is one of.

Super Mario World no Super Nintendo via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Super Mario World no Super Nintendo via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Super Mario World no Super Nintendo via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Super Mario World no Super Nintendo via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Super Mario World no Super Nintendo via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Super Mario World no Super Nintendo via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Tela do SD2SNES no Super Nintendo via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Tela do SD2SNES no Super Nintendo via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Tela do SD2SNES no Super Nintendo via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Tela do SD2SNES no Super Nintendo via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Tela do SD2SNES no Super Nintendo via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Tela do SD2SNES no Super Nintendo via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Tela do SD2SNES no Super Nintendo via Framemeister XRGB Mini

Tela do SD2SNES no Super Nintendo via Framemeister XRGB Mini



Overall, I think the Framemeister XRGB Mini is a good investment for those who want to extract the best possible image of their classic consoles in a modern TV. At cost, however, I would expect him to be perfect, after all is almost the price of a new generation console in civilization. But I was aware of the problem with the 480i games Mega Drive and the slowness when switching between modes, and it's something I'm willing to tolerate in favor of better image. The Atari 2600 was an unknown, I did not think anything about his possible operation with Frame Master, up because everything also depends on the against which was used. I was happy to see it running smoothly with all the games I tested, although one required an extra set.

Check out the tracking information package, that gave me a scare with “Not located in the postal stream”. But now discovered that this phrase is equivalent to two sentences (two status) different in the new system, and one of them is equivalent to a simple “Object with late delivery”, which in Brazil is pretty much the standard.

Data Local Situation
17/12/2014 18:02 CSD [Removed] Delivery Effected
17/12/2014 09:52 [Removed] Out for delivery to the recipient
09/12/2014 12:39 CTCI Paraná – Curitiba / PR Not located in the postal stream
Please, please contact us by clicking here.
25/11/2014 20:27 CTCI SAO PAULO / GMIMP – Sao Paulo-SP Routed
In transit to SITC Paraná – Curitiba / PR
25/11/2014 14:32 UNIT international traffic SAO PAULO – Sao Paulo-SP Awarded
Received / Brazil
21/11/2014 13:36 JAPAN Routed
In transit to International Treatment Unit – BRAZIL / BR
21/11/2014 01:03 JAPAN Awarded
Received the unit export
20/11/2014 19:29 JAPAN Posted

And the purchase summary table:

Product Name: Framemeister XRGB Mini
Name Original: XRGB-mini Framemeister Compact Up Scaler Unit
Store: Solaris Japan
Value: ¥ 36.790 (R$ 907,91)
Current value: ¥ 38.090 (US$ 320,72)
Payment Method: PayPal
Shipping Type: Regular
Shipping Fee: ¥ 2.575
Package Home Country: Japan
Purchase Data: 13/11/2014
Submission Date: 20/11/2014
Data Delivery: 17/12/2014
Time in Transit: 27 days
Declared content: Upscan Converter
Type Marked Content: Gift
Declared Value:
Taxed: Not
Taxable Value:
Tax Value:

And here I close the article on Framemeister XRGB Mini, with a positive evaluation of the product and the store.

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  1. 1
    Ricardo Marques

    I found it very good blog, very same! I'm considering getting him to use the Wii games to add scanlines, q u think would look good? Hugs!

    1. 1.1
      Skooter

      I'm not a big fan of scanlines. But that aside, normally used scanlines content made on the CRT era, where developers can have the drawing sprites having already scanlines. For the Wii, it has been done in the age of LCD TVs, then I doubt whether there is benefit in using scanlines with him. Anyway, at upscaler can do a better job than the TV to pass the image to 1080p, then in that case perhaps the Framemeister is valid.

      1. 1.1.1
        marcelo

        Use Framemeister with the wii only worth it if emulate the mega games, snes e nes a 240p. In this case the result is very close to the original equipment.

  2. 2
    marcelo

    Bom dia Skooter.
    You bought the SNES cable retrogamingcables with the Composite video option Sync or CSYNC?

    1. 2.1
      Skooter

      Good morning Marcelo,
      I bought the SNES cable with CSYNC option.

      1. 2.1.1
        Marcelo Moraes

        Guess what I got? 🙂 &%#$. This explains the problem in sync.
        Thanks for the answer.

        1. Skooter

          So it is confirmed that not only is the Play-Asia cable that has synchronization problems in Framemeister. I think any cable using the composite video signal for synchronization should be weak for Framemeister and need of the gain adjustment. Good thing there is a CSYNC option in the Super Nintendo American.

          1. marcelo

            Yes True. I have a cable scart mega drive 1 purchased in retrogaming with the Composite video option and has the same problem.

            Better get that seller: http://www.ebay.com/usr/retro_console_accessories?_trksid=p2047675.l2559. He explains the type of cable for each situation.

          2. Skooter

            My cable Mega Drive is the Retrogaming, but also with CSYNC, then works perfectly in Framemeister.
            Recently purchased cables for the Super Nintendo (CSYNC and upgrade to mini-coax) and for the Playstation One (Sync-on-Luma and also upgrade to mini-coax) with the seller retro_console_accessories. Soon I will do an article about them, but I can already say that worked perfectly and are the SCART thicker cables I've ever used.

  3. 3
    Arnaldo Souto Maior

    Speech, skooter. First, congratulations on the blog. Your posts are mt show! There is a time I followed your posts XRGB the Mini (my dream) and other things.

    Since I have no money pro XRGB, until pq will focus tax and such, I wanted to take a course with you.

    I want to have what has XRGB, but spending less.

    Basically I would use to SNES, Saturn e PS1.

    I thought about getting:

    1 – a SCART cable for each console;

    2 – SCART converter to VGA;

    3 – A scanline generator, can be Retrovga the bootsector or SLG 3000;

    4 – VGA to HDMI converter with upscale.

    This whole gambiarra only to have image quality RGB + scanlines numa TV de LED.

    Sincerely, I have not seen any review with all the equipment.

    Do you think it's worth?

    1. 3.1
      Skooter

      Hello Arnaldo,

      I think it all depends on the quality of these two converters, the second mainly, including latency.

  4. 4
    Other

    Wave,
    I don't know if at the time you purchased on solaris japan had the option , but I found the website for your blog and saw that they have the option of cable sale “official” the company that makes the framemeister for Super Famicom/SNES with saida JP-21 , I'm going to follow that line instead of using a cable EuroScar, you get to do this test after this purchase?
    Abraços

    1. 4.1
      Skooter

      Olá Andre,
      At the time I bought my Framemeister had not these cables on Solaris. I don't know if going down this road by using switch. SCART Switch good is hard to find, JP21 switch is more difficult.
      Hugs.

      1. 4.1.1
        Other

        Or !
        Then, get me out a doubt, When you SWITCH would be the own cable JP21? Because from what I understand by the Solaris website Japan, If I buy the super famicom JP21 cable made by own micomsoft for use in framemeister just call him directly on that adapter for entrance in front of the framemeister, does this missing I get something together to make it work?

        1. Skooter

          SCART switch that's here. If you only have a console with RGB output you don't need him. But if you have more than one console with RGB output will have to be swapping cables, because the Framemeister has only one entry. In the long run this could harm the connectors. With a Switch you pass a console to another just by pressing a button. The problem is that good SCART Switch is already somewhat hard to find, JP21 this switch be harder still. Because of this I would not choose JP21 instead of SCART.

          If you will call the Super Nintendo I think you can't miss, You can buy the cable directly into the adaptor and connect Micomsoft JP21 that comes with the Framemeister.

          One detail I noticed now is that Micomsoft cable for Super Nintendo takes the sync signal from the luminance channel. They're doing it for cable work both in NTSC consoles as PAL (“Luminance the sync: Removes any chance of interference usually caused by composite video the sync while retaining the highest possible compatibility with all displays and processors.”). But, Retro Gaming Cables and retro_console_accessories make the cable for Super Nintendo NTSC getting directly the sync signal (CSYNC), What technically can offer superior image quality.

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  6. 6
    Cafe Days

    Olá Skooter.
    You have tested using the composite video on Framemeister? The signal is better than a common TV?

    For example: quando ligo meu N64 via composto na TV LED fica tudo muito embaçado. Será que ligar o N64 ao Framemeister e este na TV melhora um pouco a imagem?

    Thank you.
    Carlos

    1. 6.1
      Skooter

      Hello Cafe Days,

      I tested the videocomposto of the Framemeister only with the Atari 2600. Fica um pouco melhor do que ligando diretamente na TV pois o Framemeister pode fazer um upscale mais adequado para jogos, enquanto a TV não dá opções e sempre faz um upscale genérico.

      Se você não quer fazer mod de RGB no N64, recomendo que você use pelo menos um cabo S-Video, pois a diferença do S-Video para o video composto já é bastante considerável.

  7. 7
    Cafe Days

    Perfect Skooter. Grateful for the information.
    One more question: Interferes somehow the color system of the console?
    I have Japanese and American Islands (NTSC) e brasileiros (PAL-M).
    O upscaler XRGB mini trabalha com todos? Minha TV de LED aceita tudo.

    1. 7.1
      Skooter

      I believe that does not interfere with no, because my Sega Genesis and my Atari 2600 are Americans and native NTSC. Meu Super Nintendo e meu Playstation One também são americanos, mas transcodificados para PAL-M. Todos funcionam. As Europeans also use Framemeister, probably he accepts all color systems.

  8. 8
    Cafe Days

    Olá Skooter,

    Finally my new Retrogammingcables.uk RGB cables arrived for use on XRGB mini Framemeister.
    Like I said, I was in search of a good quality image to play my retro Nintendo consoles (-Famicon, Famicon Disk System, AV Famicom, NES, Super Famicon, Nintendo 64, Game Cube) and Sony (Play one , Play 2 ).
    Making a list of consoles with RGB output from my collection…

    NINTENDO CONSOLES
    Had the cable C-Sync the Super Famicom and works perfect.
    My Nintendo 64 with mod THS7314 (chip sale in ML) worked perfectly with sync-on-cable luma. The image is a show! Recommend to whoever has the console and want to extract the maximum chart.

    Just now I invest in NES RGB, MOD that allows the Famicon/Nintendinho have RGB video output. Infelizmente meu GameCube é brasileiro e não tem saída RGB nativa (apenas GameCube europeu).

    CONSOLES SONY
    Meu Play One também funcionou perfeitamente com o cabo sync-on-luma.
    Não testei o cabo no Play 2 pois uso saída Componente via Terminal D com adaptador.

    Gostaria de agradecer a você pelas informações encontradas no blog, que me ajudou muito.
    Agora finalmente poderei jogar minha coleção com o máximo de qualidade de imagem possível para os retro consoles 🙂

    No futuro pegarei um Mega Drive Japonês para iniciar a coleção dos consoles Sega.
    Mas só no futuro pois estou sem dinheiro e espaço para os 12 consoles de mesa + 11 consoles portáteis e 251 jogos mídia física no momento.

    A hug!

    1. 8.1
      Skooter

      Ola Cafe Days,

      Thank you for the return and for aggregate useful information here on the blog.

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